Session Start: Mon Oct 28 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[02:57]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: completely agree to your post.
[02:57]<PCdoc> I want a Like button like fb :P
[03:01]<@BC_Programming> only just saw Kyle_Engineer's post yesterday
[03:02]<PCdoc> I am also clueless seriously, from where do these people hear about this channel who everyday come here asking for help?!!
[03:02]<@BC_Programming> yeah what was up with that
[03:02]<PCdoc> and funny thing is at the same time they are hanging around in ch channe;
[03:02]<@BC_Programming> and I couldn't help but notice it was RIGHT around the time that this channel was channel banned
[03:02]<PCdoc> channel*
[03:03]<PCdoc> as if someone is asking them in PM to visit this channel and annoy us?
[03:03]<@BC_Programming> No
[03:04]<@BC_Programming> Well that's possible I guess, but based on the one guy I helped and his responses I think it was one of their regulars pretending
[03:04]<@BC_Programming> One second he barely knew how to power a machine on, the next "I already checked the registry"
[03:06]<PCdoc> The nikhil guy I know, he is a *censored* guy wanting attention from everyone around him talking irrelevent crap and has been given sevreral warnings with a 14 days ban. But still comes here in search of god knows what.
[03:06]<@BC_Programming> hmmm
[04:12]<Zuwer> Finally found out what was causing my GPU to sit at its full frequency even under no real load. That's been bugging me for a while.
[04:12]<@BC_Programming> do tell
[04:14]<Zuwer> Turns out (not sure if it is by default, but I'd assume so) Nvidia's control panel has a profile for Chrome where the power management is set to max performance.
[04:14]<@BC_Programming> oh
[04:14]<@BC_Programming> actually that might explain some of the issues I've had with chrome
[04:14]<Zuwer> Rather than idling at 45C now, it idles at 29C.
[04:15]<@BC_Programming> heh mine idles around 80c
[04:15]<@BC_Programming> and that is after repasting it. It used to idle at like 90
[04:16]<Zuwer> That's just a little bit warm, it'd be nice in winter.
[04:16]<@BC_Programming> my old AMD K6-2 would overheat from Duke Nukem, but always on one level
[04:16]<Zuwer> Is it passively cooled or something? :o
[04:16]<@BC_Programming> it's little beepy siren would go off
[04:17]<@BC_Programming> Zuwer: my GPU is a 9800GT fwiw, apparently they run warm or something
[04:17]<@BC_Programming> it's overclocked as well apparently
[04:17]<Zuwer> You seem a little unsure about that. :P
[04:18]<@BC_Programming> I didn't overclock it, but it's from BFGTech before they went under and they did that on some graphics cards
[04:18]<Zuwer> I've never heard of that company until now. :o
[04:19]<@BC_Programming> They went out of business a few years ago
[04:22]<Zuwer> Ah. According to Wikipedia they used to build systems too, using Intel and Nvidia CPU/GPU's, I like them just for that. Not that I have anything against AMD of course.
[05:18]<+camerongray> Immental1200: Nope, server still sitting on my floor :P
[05:29]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Nice post - What did you mean by "I'm not the one that decided to ban a channel just because he didn't like some of the people that also hung out there. I'm also not the one that continues to make stupid Jokes about it in CH. I'm also not the one who is now visiting that channel at least once every few days to tell us the people in that channel are pathetic,"
[05:29]<+camerongray> Think I missed something here :P
[05:29]<@BC_Programming> LostCoast
[05:30]<@BC_Programming> the second part refers to how he is still making snide remarks about how pathetic we are in #ch and saying that we're cowards because we talk about them here instead of going there... even though we are essentially banned...
[05:32]<@BC_Programming> Kyle_Engineer is an enabler. He's enabling LostCoast to do these stupid things by creating vacuous justifications that border on lies. I still love how he is CONTINUING to try ot say that the users should make it easy for a ban and IRCcloud stops that- despite REPEATEDLY being told that there are several people in CH that are using the service
[05:32]<@BC_Programming> not to mention that is just a case of incompetency anyway
[05:33]<@BC_Programming> also on an unrelated note, Mulreay no longer has OP, just fyi, though not sure when we'll see him about again
[05:35]<PCdoc> So what? LC also has been speaking sh!t about people in gpc. He himself is a backstabber. I think he must have said this while standing in front of the mirro :P :P
[05:35]<PCdoc> mirror *
[05:36]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[05:36]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc: heh yeah that's the ironic thing, I think.
[05:36]<+camerongray> Bit of a pain about Mulreay though but yeah, it was a bit out of order since there are pretty much no rules here
[05:36]<PCdoc> I have the logs :P
[05:37]<PCdoc> mulreay not an OP here ?? why ?
[05:37]<+camerongray> Like if I started swearing and ChanbotVII banned me, I'd be like BC - Unban me :P
[05:37]<+camerongray> When did LC call us pathetic (Or was this ages ago)
[05:37]<+camerongray> And who was the person asking for help?
[05:37]<+camerongray> I've not been here that much recently - Coursework hell at the moment!
[05:38]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: nah it was a bit ago, but no doubt he goes on about it
[05:38]<PCdoc> didn't you see? so many people joining in since last few days asking for help.
[05:38]<+camerongray> yeah
[05:38]<PCdoc> Those same people were in the ch channel at the same time. As if someone is telling them to come here to annoy us!
[05:38]<@BC_Programming> yeah exactly, there was one that came here for three days and repeated the exact same question, word for word
[05:38]<@BC_Programming> even after I already answered
[05:38]<PCdoc> I am curious who told them the address of this channel :P
[05:40]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, that one
[05:40]<+camerongray> Then there's Nikhil but that was after lostcoast posted this channel name in CH
[05:40]<+camerongray> =
[05:41]<PCdoc> You mean every person who comes to ch channel reads the post in the chat forums?
[05:41]<PCdoc> Why would they?
[05:41]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc: wtf are you on about
[05:41]<@BC_Programming> Lostcoast/db/ etc talk about this channel now
[05:42]<@BC_Programming> the only difference is unlike when we talk about them- when it's generally experienced Software Developers and Hardware experts noting that they have no idea what they are talking about, when they talk about us it's basically just calling us trolls and has no real substance
[05:43]<@BC_Programming> I mean at least when I insult people I do it properly
[05:43]<@BC_Programming> "you couldn't find your ass with both hands if we gave you a map"
[05:43]<PCdoc> searching through logs his a pain in the *censored* omg such a huge file
[05:44]<@BC_Programming> my #gpc log is 27 megs
[05:44]<@BC_Programming> CH is busier though that fills up really fast
[05:45]<+camerongray> Yeah - "You are trolls becuase you know more than me"
[05:45]<+camerongray> I do remember those people yeah, and that helios guy
[05:45]<+camerongray> Not sure about them being from CH though
[05:45]<PCdoc> Oct 15 19:04:13 <lostcoast> when glitchpc channel 1st started this BS I sent Nathan there and he got bombarded so hard about politics of this channel he ended up leaving it knowing exactly what the deal was...just a bunch a whining never contented bitchess
[05:45]<PCdoc> Oct 15 19:04:40 <lostcoast> oops
[05:46]<PCdoc> sorry bot
[05:46]<PCdoc> he probably typed by mistake or deliberately I don't know
[05:46]<PCdoc> main channel
[05:46]<@BC_Programming> LostCoast is a douchebag. He tried to turn me on Jacky with that Voice thing because I wasn't entirely sure what the big deal was. But it was absolutely clear, that the only reason he did it was to make a statement
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> that he was now in charge
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> that's absolutely all it was. It wasn't about being better for the channel, it was about saying "See, I'm the big man now, I can make sweeping changes"
[05:47]<+camerongray> Tried to do it to me too because jacky is a horrible person for registering the channel when it lapsed or something
[05:47]<PCdoc> No I thought I should post a proof like thing when I say they bitch about gpc there!
[05:47] * PCdoc was kicked by ChanbotVII (Bad word detected. (*bitch*) :: [Mon Oct 28 05:47:40 2013] - Banned 0 minutes -101-)
[05:47]<+camerongray> D'OH
[05:47]<@BC_Programming> lol
[05:48]<+camerongray> Oh yeah = That bit about geographical hostmasks
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[05:48]<PCdoc> hmmm
[05:48]<+camerongray> Not that the hostmask is from an area - It's that the hashed hostmask "looks Indian"
[05:48]<PCdoc> I won't post if it's not required :P
[05:48]<+camerongray> That's like trying to get info by looking at an MH5/SHA hash!
[05:48]<+camerongray> MD5*
[05:48]<@BC_Programming> careful that's treading into programming territory!
[05:49]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure whether it's comical or sad how quickly his underlings were in that thread making up ridiculous justifications
[05:49]<PCdoc> camerongray: exactly. He is recist from the beginning. When I first joined ch channel in my life. I was welcomed with his recist non-sense.
[05:50]<@BC_Programming> kyle_engineer is downright hilarious, first he's declaring that IRC works a certain way, I call him out on it, and he says "well that was my opinion"
[05:50]<@BC_Programming> last time I checked, Protocols don't work through people's opinions
[05:50]<PCdoc> like BC_Programming said. By looking at hostmask, he thinks every Asian uses a pirated software.
[05:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[05:51]<PCdoc> Which also indirectlt hits me.
[05:51]<PCdoc> indirectly*
[05:51]<+camerongray> I mean, I have an Indian friend who tried to pirate something once - His internet connection then went down (Very unreliable connection) and he completely freaked out!
[05:51]<@BC_Programming> meanwhile, he used his daughter's university dreamspark account to get copies of Microsoft software, completely obliterating the entire EULA and basically making him a pirate also
[05:52]<PCdoc> He boasts in here but I am pretty sure he uses some pirated software in his machine. He can't be like pure clean
[05:52]<+camerongray> Well, the dreamspark stuff is completely unlicenced!
[05:53]<+camerongray> It's not torrented.etc or had to be hacked to activate it, doesn't mean the licence still applies
[05:53]<@BC_Programming> FWIW it doesn't matter if the helpers are using Pirated software or anything, it's about liability to ComputerHope, the issue is more the case that "oh, you're in India/Asia? stop pirating. next?"
[05:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[05:53]<+camerongray> It does piss me off with some people, but I don't go out of my way
[05:53]<PCdoc> Hey wait!
[05:53]<+camerongray> It's more when people join "I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate on this crap PC"
[05:53]<@BC_Programming> and on the CH Forum... oh gawd is Patio bad with that
[05:53]<PCdoc> I didn't see this. The log shows
[05:54]<PCdoc> Oct 23 18:32:40 * BattleCam removes ban on ~c:#glitchpc
[05:54]<+camerongray> lol
[05:54]<+camerongray> :D
[05:54]<+camerongray> Pfft, I give up
[05:54]<+camerongray> What log is this?
[05:54]<PCdoc> Yes, right! its not banned
[05:54]<PCdoc> ch channel obviously
[05:54]<+camerongray> DUH :P
[05:55]<+camerongray> Where is the log?
[05:55]<+camerongray> :P
[05:55]<+camerongray> Or when someone explicitly mentions they want to pirate stuff - I don't help with that
[05:55]<PCdoc> in my comp. Yes, I am hanging there but I never speak anything. My ychat client is set to join there.
[05:55]<+camerongray> Ahh
[05:55]<@BC_Programming> doesn't matter, bunch of tools. I guess I got a bit more confident when I actually got a real Job in the industry
[05:55]<+camerongray> Did he say anything around that time?
[05:55]<PCdoc> Like you said, you just sit there for the logs.
[05:55]<@BC_Programming> One day perhaps DB will be promoted to sanitation manager
[05:56]<PCdoc> hahahaha
[05:56]<+camerongray> Yeah, not sure if I should join again to sit
[05:56]<@BC_Programming> No
[05:56]<PCdoc> don't
[05:56]<+camerongray> That's settled then :P
[05:56]<PCdoc> Even I was thinking today to remove myself from there when I read BC_Programming post
[05:56]<+camerongray> Yeah
[05:57]<@BC_Programming> thing is, the biggest asset to the channel, is experience and capability. As far as I'm concerned I was sold on how incompetent and ridiculously fallacious they were with that HILARIOUS "windows workspace" thing
[05:57]<@BC_Programming> I still chuckle just thinking about it
[05:57]<+camerongray> yeah!
[05:57]<@BC_Programming> I mean that was so obviously made up on the spot it wasn't even funny
[05:57]<+camerongray> In some ways it would have been good if he posted it had been removed in the forum - We would just be - "Meh"
[05:57]<+camerongray> Yeah
[05:58]<+camerongray> Same as all the episodes of "db tries to teach Cameron about something he already owns"
[05:58]<PCdoc> Correction - He dreams that he owns *
[05:59]<@BC_Programming> Patio at his best: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,140905.0.html
[05:59]<+camerongray> No = That I own
[05:59]<PCdoc> oh
[05:59]<+camerongray> Like "Each key in your keyboard is a transformer" or "No server needs more than 12gb RAM" or "The BBC micro was advanced because it used the S100 Bus"
[05:59]<@BC_Programming> haha the transformer one on gawd I forgot about that
[05:59]<+camerongray> yeah
[06:00]<+camerongray> I wonder what he would make up if I asked
[06:00]<@BC_Programming> but I mean you must admit, that is exactly the type of stuff a person who works in an IT company, but not as IT staff might say. For example, somebody who works as a Janitor
[06:00]<+camerongray> "The spring transforms from straight to buckled" or something :P
[06:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:01]<+camerongray> Then again, he did know the name of the Altair bus for example
[06:01]<+camerongray> It's more like he used to know a lot but never caught up with changes so makes crap up using this old stuff
[06:01]<+camerongray> Oh and the Intel/AMD thing for gaming
[06:02]<@BC_Programming> fwiw, and you will all hate me for this but when I had a pm convo with Lostcoast he seemed like a good guy AFK/IRL. I don't recall the specifics of what he does or did but as strange as it is I think maybe his position in the chat is all that he "has"... I recall something about disability, for example.
[06:03]<@BC_Programming> I mean we can insult each other back and forth between the channels or complain about how people are banned and stuff, but it's still just a few IRC channels that don't matter for crap
[06:04]<+camerongray> Yeah - they do seem like decent people, but you give them a little power and they go mad
[06:04]<@BC_Programming> In fact if you think about it, #GlitchPC kind of has a lot on common with #computerhope history wise
[06:04]<@BC_Programming> I mean, they are both "under new management" :P
[06:04]<+camerongray> yeah :P
[06:04]<+camerongray> Kyle especially is a really nice guy
[06:04]<+camerongray> Chat with him in PM quite a bit
[06:04]<+camerongray> He's also quite pissed off with the way CH runs
[06:05]<@BC_Programming> yeah he seems OK from what I've seen. My only problem in that thread, is that he is making vacuous defenses of something that he has admitted is not the ideal, eg. how I said IRC can be run without rhyme or reason
[06:05]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:05]<+camerongray> he's dug himself into a hole basically
[06:06]<+camerongray> But he's well with us on the whole way the channel runs thing
[06:06]<@BC_Programming> well not really, in general it seems he agrees, but he's somehow stuck, trying to defend the decision, if you ask me that indicates a lack of integrity
[06:08]<@BC_Programming> though he might also, be giving LC the benefit of the doubt
[06:09]<@BC_Programming> moving from that particular topic however
[06:10]<@BC_Programming> I think it's cool that the stuff I'm writing is going to be such a central part of our product
[06:10]<+camerongray> Yeah, always nice seeing your code in actual use
[06:10]<@BC_Programming> one day I have to buy a boat just so I can take it to Van Isle Marina and then point at their system and say "I helped make this"
[06:11]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, one other thing - CrazyHair who was here a while back was Kyle - He's a pretty smart guy looking at that
[06:11]<@BC_Programming> OMG! haha awesome
[06:11]<+camerongray> So we did kinda show him we aren't a hate club :P
[06:11]<@BC_Programming> Had no idea
[06:11]<+camerongray> yeah :P
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> that's actually kind of funny, since my response, on the forum as he said was not particularly nice
[06:12]<+camerongray> it's the same as the other ops, when they are ops they are dicks but in real life they can be pretty nice
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> Interesting how a name makes such a giant difference to how I would reply to a person... insightful self-reflection is in order
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> on self-reflection over
[06:12]<@BC_Programming> conclusion: I need a mirror
[06:14]<@BC_Programming> I still need to figure out this bloody progressbar issue
[06:14]<+camerongray> lol
[06:14]<@BC_Programming> I works on every single machine so far, it runs on all my VM's just fine
[06:15]<+camerongray> I think part of the issue is that while kyle is on our side, he can't really actively be seen to be on our side if he wants to keep his op, as a result he has to respond like that on the forum
[06:15]<@BC_Programming> Yeah but that's what I mean, by lacking integrity
[06:15]<+camerongray> yeah
[06:15]<@BC_Programming> I mean, if Jacky was to do something really stupid or insane, I wouldn't say "blah blah he's doing it for these reasons"
[06:15]<@BC_Programming> "I'd be like, WTF dude"
[06:16]<+camerongray> It's tricky but then it's easier just not being there
[06:16]<+camerongray> True :P
[06:16]<@BC_Programming> and if that was to mean I lose an ampersand, so be it :P
[06:16]<+camerongray> hhaha yeah
[06:16]<+camerongray> Forum is still good though
[06:16]<@BC_Programming> thing is I think, jacky knows we would call him out if he does something dumb just as we know he'll call us out if we do something dumb
[06:17]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:17]<+camerongray> Also, I like Allan now :P
[06:17]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: I love jumping on an ailing thread
[06:17]<+camerongray> Did you hear his response to Calum's mod forum post?
[06:17]<@BC_Programming> uh, not that I recall
[06:30]<+camerongray> Basically he was like "By banning camerongray they have lost a very good helper.etc"
[06:30]<+camerongray> I almost hugged my monitor
[06:31]<@BC_Programming> link?
[06:31]<+camerongray> It's int he mod forum - Calum sent it to me
[06:31]<+camerongray> Will look
[06:32]<+camerongray> Got it - "Since I don't participate in chat I can only comment based on what I see here on the forum. With that said, I have to believe that when you ban someone like camerongray you're banning a very helpful and intelligent contributor. The quality of information provided in CH Chat is weak to start with and I'd imagine it's that much weaker now."
[06:32]<@BC_Programming> ha awesome
[06:36]<PCdoc> mod forum?
[06:36]<PCdoc> Where is that?
[06:38]<+camerongray> On the forum, but only mods can see it
[06:38]<@BC_Programming> section of the forum only visible to mods
[06:38]<@BC_Programming> there are some sections only available to certain members... maybe one day camerongray will finally get into Dons
[06:39]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:39]<+camerongray> How many posts do you need>
[06:39]<PCdoc> Auntomatically or manually granted?
[06:43]<@BC_Programming> 1000
[06:50]<+camerongray> ahh cool
[06:50]<PCdoc> camerongray: is way too far for that 446 post
[06:50]<+camerongray> lil
[06:50]<+camerongray> lol#
[06:51]<PCdoc> I have 108
[06:51]<PCdoc> :(
[06:51]<@BC_Programming> I have 16,924
[06:51]<+camerongray> I used to always be more active in chat, will do more in the forum now
[06:52]<@BC_Programming> third highest poster on the entire forum is me
[06:52]<+camerongray> wow!
[06:52]<@BC_Programming> and both the members ahead of me, are no longer live, GX1_Man and Broni
[06:52]<@BC_Programming> actually I wonder what happened to Brony
[06:52]<@BC_Programming> Broni* lol
[06:53]<+camerongray> lol
[06:54]<+camerongray> what goes on in don's?
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> nothing
[06:54]<+camerongray> lol
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> last post there was on the 7th
[06:54]<+camerongray> ahh
[06:55]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: I think they count your one post as like 5 or something due to its size :P :P
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> oh there was one awesome post there about Squall's latest incarnation
[06:55]<+camerongray> who was the original "Don" :P
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> he is impossible to help and keeps coming back
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> dl65
[06:55]<+camerongray> oh, when was that?
[06:56]<PCdoc> I have seen that nickname I think
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> he's been a fixture since the beginning, got banned but now I think he's Ryuk
[06:56]<PCdoc> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2
[06:56]<+camerongray> yeah, was going to say that
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> it was HILARIOUS though because reddevilggg posted a topic in Dons about how he's getting bullies and it's not fair
[06:57]<PCdoc> he has also a R.I.P status
[06:58]<@BC_Programming> My response was to find a post where he did the same thing to the member he was trying to defend
[06:58]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc: that's because dl65 is dead
[06:58]<PCdoc> oh
[06:58]<+camerongray> ahh, he's done
[06:59]<PCdoc> How do they come to know about this? Only if you are in touch in real life !!?
[06:59]<+camerongray> user id 2!
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> dl65 was with the forum since the very beginning and Nathan knew him personally
[06:59]<+camerongray> ahh
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> That and, I mean, we found out about street1 having passed away
[07:00]<PCdoc> Yeah I can see his posts in chat forum, when 'chat' was being added to ch
[07:00]<+camerongray> yeah, that wasn't fun, I remember I found the obituary
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> I thought jacky found it
[07:01]<+camerongray> Jacky posted a link to that site saying "phew, nothing there" then I searched and it came up
[07:01]<PCdoc> There was someone named Zasha who was in the ch channel few weeks ago. Cleamed she new street1 and many others.
[07:01]<@BC_Programming> the sad part is jacky was probably only half-joking
[07:01]<+camerongray> I
[07:01]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc: could be, street was a fixture in the chat as well as the forums for a long time
[07:02]<+camerongray> oh yeah
[07:02]<PCdoc> Then she went like sad, called him grandpa
[07:02]<+camerongray> yeah, he was a great guy
[07:02]<PCdoc> I can make out now...
[07:02]<PCdoc> he was funny too .. thats what I heard
[07:03]<+camerongray> funny being an understatement :P
[07:03]<+camerongray> never saw him angry
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> he worked in a Nursery
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> Peckerwood!
[07:05]<+camerongray> yeah
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> that's the name of the woodpecker that hung around if I remember right
[07:05]<+camerongray> yeah, that was it
[07:05]<+camerongray> and frying pan therapy :P
[07:06]<@BC_Programming> haha
[07:06]<+camerongray> bet rog still has that trigger
[07:06]<@BC_Programming> aren't chanbot and Rog based on the same scripts?
[07:06]<+camerongray> not sure
[07:06]<PCdoc> Rog as in |Balrog| ?
[07:06]<PCdoc> lol
[07:07]<+camerongray> nah, different channel
[07:07]<@BC_Programming> No Balrog is a character from Cave Story
[07:07]<PCdoc> he is from ch channel
[07:07]<@BC_Programming> NO HE IS FROM CAVE STORY
[07:07]<PCdoc> never speaks anything
[07:07]<@BC_Programming> the guy in ch is an imposter
[07:07]<+camerongray> lol
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[07:48] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jacky
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[08:21]<PCdoc> welcome jacky chan
[08:22]<@jacky> heh
[08:22]<@jacky> PCdoc: Hello
[08:22]<PCdoc> jacky: hi :)
[08:26]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[08:27]<PCdoc> hehe in one of the forums of Raspberry pi, someone has a status: "I now own 2 RPi - does that mean I own a circumference?"
[08:27]<@jacky> camerongray: You rang ?
[08:28]<+camerongray> I rang?
[08:29]<@jacky> heh... old line... TV Show. look up "The Addams Family" sometime
[08:29]<@jacky> heheeh
[08:29]<+camerongray> PCdoc: lol!!
[08:29]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
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[08:59]<guest_74> hi, can someone help me on arrays in java please
[08:59]<@jacky> BC_Programming: you around?
[08:59]<@jacky> or anybody?
[09:00]<guest_74> well, I am"!!!
[09:00]<@jacky> heh
[09:00]<@jacky> feel free to stick around... somebody will appear eventually
[09:00]<guest_74> but I won't be off much use :(, I am in need
[09:00]<@jacky> there are a few that hang around that I see talking about various programming things
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[09:00]<@jacky> oh well
[09:04]<+camerongray> oh - lol
[09:05]<@jacky> poof
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[09:20]<RickyB98> does anyone play minecraft?
[09:20]<@jacky> RickyB98: feel free to stick around... eventually somebody will show up
[09:20]<@jacky> :)
[09:21]<RickyB98> thanks jacky :)
[09:26]<PCdoc> RickyB98: I know this is off topic. Don't mind but how did you find out about this channel?
[09:26]<@jacky> I told him
[09:27]<@jacky> he was in some other chan, asking about minecraft
[09:27]<@jacky> :)
[09:27]<RickyB98> exactly :)
[09:27]<RickyB98> thanks jacky :)
[09:27]<@jacky> PCdoc: would you like to play trivia? I can tell you about that server/channel. :)
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[12:17]<Immental1200> Powered the servers up today camerongray...
[12:18]<Immental1200> Three of them have dual 6 core x6560 xeons ....
[12:18]<Immental1200> Ones got a pair of quad xeons
[12:18]<Immental1200> One has a single quad xeon
[12:18]<Immental1200> And the rest are either pentium 4 ht. Or not yet known
[13:04]<+camerongray> Wow!
[13:04]<+camerongray> Are they still free? :P
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[13:24]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[13:24]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[13:27]<@Calum> how goes it?
[13:27]<+camerongray> Good thanks, coursework hell at the moment :P
[13:29]<Immental1200> Ermm
[13:29]<Immental1200> We thought they were worse than that
[13:29]<@Calum> ah right heh
[13:29]<Immental1200> We're considering racking the three high powered ones and colocating them in London
[13:29]<+camerongray> ahh
[13:29]<Immental1200> Then the P4's and lower Xeons will go
[13:30]<Immental1200> Not sure about the quad xeons
[13:30]<Immental1200> P4's and lower xeons are all SCSI anyway
[13:30]<+camerongray> The quad core xeon is SCSI?
[13:31]<Immental1200> That's SAS
[13:31]<Immental1200> HP Proliant D360 G5
[13:31]<Immental1200> And a G7
[13:31]<+camerongray> SAS is fine
[13:31]<Immental1200> But the quad core we may keep...
[13:31]<Immental1200> I've no idea
[13:31]<Immental1200> Not my decision
[13:31]<+camerongray> I'll take those if you don't want them :P
[13:32]<+camerongray> We have a project at uni where we run an IRC network on a rack of old servers - They would be happy to take them I'm sure
[13:32]<+camerongray> Easy to ship them
[13:33]<+camerongray> I'd cover that
[13:33]<Immental1200> If it's just the lower ones
[13:33]<Immental1200> Is it worth it
[13:33]<+camerongray> Not the P4s really
[13:33]<Immental1200> Pair of single xeons
[13:33]<Immental1200> Pair of dual core xeons
[13:33]<Immental1200> 4GB RAM
[13:33]<Immental1200> Is the other lows
[13:33]<+camerongray> Dual core ones would be fine
[13:33]<Immental1200> I think they're dual core, we've not managed to get them open yet...
[13:34]<+camerongray> lol
[13:34]<Immental1200> And to answer the impending question - why don't you just power them on
[13:34]<Immental1200> The office is erm, well, messy.
[13:34]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[13:34]<@Calum> sniping those servers eh Cameron, haha. Yeah shipping should be quite cheap at least, wasn't that expensive to ship the one I sold you a few months ago
[13:35]<Immental1200> Turns out the lower end ones are all 2U and weigh a ton
[13:35]<+camerongray> We have a 48u rack :P
[13:35]<Immental1200> I was sat on the floor, server on its edge... and I was VERY afraid of it crushing my legs if it fell.
[13:35]<Immental1200> The 1U would have just sat on my legs like 'Hi!'
[13:36]<+camerongray> lol
[13:36]<Immental1200> We also have three switches that need to go... 10 base 100
[13:37]<Immental1200> 2 HP ProCurve
[13:37]<Immental1200> And a Cisco
[13:37]<Immental1200> Might sell the Cisco though.. it has fibre cards
[13:38]<Immental1200> If anyone wants keyboards, mice or P4 towers they're all sorted and ready to be gotten rid off ;)
[13:38]<+camerongray> lol
[13:39]<@Calum> I'm up for hardware if it's going spare
[13:39]<+camerongray> FIGHT!
[13:39]<@Calum> hah
[13:39]<@Calum> I'm closer
[13:40]<+camerongray> I'll tell Cassie
[13:40]<Immental1200> Oh
[13:40]<Immental1200> One minor thing
[13:40]<+camerongray> None of it works?
[13:40]<Immental1200> I believe there was an email going around the building
[13:40]<Immental1200> Freebies, office 17
[13:40]<+camerongray> AHh
[13:41]<+camerongray> Basically I'll take any servers with >= 2 core CPUs
[13:41]<Immental1200> There's also an industrial laser printer (colour) that can do like 100/min pages ... although that's going on gumtree
[13:42]<+camerongray> Ahh nice
[13:42]<+camerongray> Calum: Is this a decent deal? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171145893726?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648
[13:42]<Immental1200> I shall let you know what's remaining tomorrow :P
[13:43]<+camerongray> Nice!
[13:43]<Immental1200> I am curious though
[13:43]<Immental1200> What do you think this is worth
[13:43]<Immental1200> HP ProLiant D360 G7 ... two X5650's
[13:43]<Immental1200> 12GB DDR3
[13:43]<Immental1200> 6 x 600GB SAS Drives
[13:43]<Immental1200> 2 x 146GB SAS Drives
[13:44]<Immental1200> Full working order, PERC RAID card
[13:44]<Immental1200> Windows Server 2008 R2 COA
[13:44]<+camerongray> Oh - Nothing at all, complete scrap, I'll take it off your hands and recycle it
[13:44]<+camerongray> :P
[13:44]<@Calum> camerongray: it looks decent, should be about on par with the Dell PERC5/6 I was talking to you about before
[13:44]<Immental1200> We have two of those... one has 600GB drives, the other has 300GB ones... both have the 146's
[13:45]<@Calum> Immental1200: depends on the buyer really, can be hit and miss trying to sell stuff like that. I would estimate £700ish, that might be a bit on the high side
[13:45]<+camerongray> Calum: Yeah, issue I saw with the PERCs is the funny brackets and not using the M-SAS connector
[13:45]<Immental1200> The processors are £700 a piece.
[13:45]<@Calum> camerongray: yeah, just saying they're about equivalent, so it's a decent price
[13:45]<@Calum> Immental1200: to the right buyer, yeah, but they don't often sell for that. I've bought similar CPUs for far less
[13:45]<Immental1200> True
[13:46]<@Calum> so that's what I mean, it really depends on the buyer
[13:46]<+camerongray> There's 3 - One for you, one for me, one for Calum
[13:46]<+camerongray> :P
[13:46]<Immental1200> We're gonna max it out at like 144GB of RAM and then run terminal services off it xD
[13:46]<+camerongray> nice!
[13:47]<Immental1200> Co-locate it somewhere ... Bristol perhaps if the bandwidth comes back at a decent price
[13:47]<Immental1200> We got quoted... £500 a month, for 4U with 1A, 100Mbps and 10TB of traffic.
[13:47]<Immental1200> I laughed lots.
[13:47]<Immental1200> And put the phone down...
[13:49]<jamer> Alex.. The u2 server racks are heavy...
[13:49]<jamer> 225 loaded
[13:50]<jamer> Thats the server cory dropped on his hand
[13:50]<Immental1200> I know.
[13:50]<Immental1200> I nearly dropped a Fujitsu on my leg.
[13:50]<Immental1200> This thing has like 1/4 inch steel casing
[13:50]<jamer> Lol.. Ours was an ibm eserver
[13:51]<Immental1200> If I get lucky I'll be able to go to the datacentre and help rack them
[13:51]<Immental1200> Some datacentres have legal issues that mean I'm not old enough >.>
[13:53]<jamer> Lol
[13:53]<+camerongray> Immental1200: What different DCs do you use>
[13:54]<Immental1200> The people I work for 9-5 use Clustered
[13:54]<Immental1200> And for the support work I do there's lots
[13:54]<Immental1200> UKFast, RapidSwitch, OVH, RackSpace
[13:54]<Immental1200> Ooh and the other guys use RackSpace too
[13:54]<Immental1200> They're considering Pulsant
[13:54]<Immental1200> And RapidSwitch
[13:55]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[13:55]<Immental1200> We run hosted exchange off RackSpace... turned out cheaper, but we're now a MS Gold Partner I think so we're gonna use 365
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[14:42]<+Mulreay> BC_Programming are you in?
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[15:35]<Immental1200> Let me guess, it tried logging in with 30 odd streams at once, locked the IP and suspended logins for an hour.
[15:35]<Immental1200> Why do people use iWeb.
[15:35]<Immental1200> Seriously.
[15:35]<@BC_Programming> wtf is iWeb
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> another geniously named Apple product it seems
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> "We don't need good names, just stick an i on the front of a random word from the alphabet that is tangentially related"
[15:47]<+camerongray> Yeah - It's WYSIWYG web design stuff
[15:47]<+camerongray> As far as they go it makes pretty decent results, but still daft
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> iSee
[15:47]<+camerongray> haha!
[15:47]<Immental1200> Why can they not use fucking FileZilla
[15:47]<Immental1200> Like a normal person
[15:48]<@BC_Programming> I always thought FileZilla was a POS
[15:48]<Immental1200> It's good for the basic end users of web hosting.
[15:49]<@BC_Programming> I use Editpad Pro, but it's sooo much easier there to be able to literally open a file directly from FTP and save it without having to download, change, upload etc.
[15:49]<Immental1200> Right-click a file in FileZilla and go edit
[15:50]<Immental1200> Soon as you save, FileZilla will upload it
[15:50]<Immental1200> So it's similar
[15:50]<+camerongray> I just use CMSs :P
[15:50]<Immental1200> NO
[15:50]<Immental1200> NO
[15:50]<Immental1200> NO
[15:50]<Immental1200> YOU SCUM
[15:50]<+camerongray> Don't see the point in static HTML nowadays
[15:50]<+camerongray> lol
[15:50]<Immental1200> You use WordPress don't oyu?
[15:51]<+camerongray> Wordpress for blog-type stuff, Drupal for most business sites and custom for more bespoke sites
[15:51]<Immental1200> WordPress, Drupal and Joomla are my three pet hates.
[15:51]<+camerongray> why?
[15:51]<Immental1200> I used to like them, until I did the hosting from the back end.
[15:51]<Immental1200> If you put them on a standard cPanel / WHM server
[15:51]<+camerongray> I host all mine myself, they work fine!
[15:52]<Immental1200> And modify the .htaccess - lock it down really nicely
[15:52]<Immental1200> It will be exploited at some point.
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> Actually it won't upload when you save. Only when you save, and accept FileZilla's two prompts. The one about the file being changed, and the second about overwriting
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> In Editpad Pro I double-click a file in the FTP panel, edit it, and press save.
[15:52]<Immental1200> The only 'hacks' we've ever had on our server, are through people being 1 version out of date on WordPress.
[15:52]<Immental1200> And getting SQL Injected to hell and back.
[15:53]<+camerongray> Sure that can happen, but the risk of that doesn't make me want to use static files"
[15:54]<@BC_Programming> my blog was used as an entrypoint to attack my website and try to make changes to index.php for what I can only guess were nefarious reasons
[15:54]<Immental1200> My favourites are phishing sites for russian banks
[15:54]<@BC_Programming> I didn't change from Wordpress.. I just fixed the configuration problem that allowed it
[15:54]<Immental1200> And 'hacked by arabian / indian / ukranian rooters'
[15:55]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:55]<+camerongray> Sure you get that
[15:55]<+camerongray> But I'm hardly going to move to static sites to stop that!
[15:55]<Immental1200> Well yeah
[15:55]<Immental1200> We have to use a Dynamic platform... how else would we run out billing system
[15:55]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:56]<+camerongray> Even for small business sites though I'll use a CMS
[15:56]<Immental1200> But that's only a part of my site
[15:56]<Immental1200> The rest is HTML
[15:57]<+camerongray> Gets to be a real pain to update.etc
[15:57]<Immental1200> True
[15:57]<+camerongray> And keeping things like headers/footers consistant
[15:57]<Immental1200> But as a webhost ... If I can keep the main frontpage of the site free from harm at all times
[15:57]<Immental1200> It looks good
[15:57]<Immental1200> Even if somehting is wrong in the back
[15:57]<+camerongray> Just keep your software up to date!
[15:58]<Immental1200> True
[15:58]<+camerongray> And install it properly, then you don't get issues!
[15:58]<Immental1200> I think we've had 5 WHMCS updates this month...
[15:58]<Immental1200> All marked critical security patches
[15:58]<+camerongray> The theory that someone can hack a CMS shouldn't mean not to use one
[16:00]<Immental1200> I've also not found a CMS I can setup and customise as quickly as say HTML templates
[16:00]<Immental1200> That's part of why I avoid them
[16:00]<+camerongray> Sure it takes more work
[16:00]<Immental1200> That and I can't stand most of the interfaces
[16:00]<+camerongray> But think about it down the line
[16:00]<+camerongray> You have a static site, you want to redesign it, you're stuffed!
[16:00]<Immental1200> Not really
[16:01]<+camerongray> You'd have to change every page!
[16:01]<Immental1200> No?
[16:01]<+camerongray> Wouldn't you?
[16:01]<Immental1200> I see you've never used HTML templates.
[16:01]<+camerongray> Unless you use PHP at some point to include headers/footers from other files
[16:01]<@BC_Programming> That's not Static HTML, that's server-side HTML templates
[16:01]<Immental1200> Dreamweaver, Expression web and some other platforms all allow the use of HTML templates.
[16:01]<@BC_Programming> when you say "static HTML" you mean "the HTML is the same file on the client as the server"
[16:02]<Immental1200> No
[16:02]<Immental1200> It's static HTML
[16:02]<Immental1200> The template files are never uploaded
[16:02]<+camerongray> But then you have to use Dreamweaver.etc
[16:02]<+camerongray> And you say CMSs are bad :P
[16:02]<Immental1200> I don't use Dreamweaver
[16:02]<@BC_Programming> > The template files are never uploaded
[16:02]<Immental1200> It makes me feel ill
[16:03]<+camerongray> What do you use then>
[16:03]<@BC_Programming> So you are basically saying that, you have static HTML pages but they are compiled by some other application or set of applications
[16:03]<+camerongray> Second reason why you use a CMS...
[16:03]<+camerongray> This doesn't happen: http://articnetworks.com/vps.html :P
[16:03]<Immental1200> BC - You can make, say the homepage. You then edit the code / select the elements you want on every page, and when you press a certain thing ... it will generate a new page with that stuff.
[16:03]<+camerongray> CMS would fall over nicely to a styled 404 page
[16:03]<Immental1200> Or it can add it to an open page.
[16:03]<+camerongray> But then you are tied into that software you are using
[16:03]<Immental1200> Yeah, well... nobody clicks that stuff anyway
[16:04]<+camerongray> Clicks what stuff?
[16:04]<Immental1200> Actually, I think there's a standard format.
[16:04]<Immental1200> I think we've had 3 clicks on that link...
[16:04]<+camerongray> Nobody clicks your services link?
[16:04]<Immental1200> Surprisingly no
[16:04]<+camerongray> So that's a reason not to fix it
[16:04]<+camerongray> And how do you know noone clicks it?
[16:04]<Immental1200> Google Analytics..
[16:04]<Immental1200> So maybe there's a few more
[16:04]<+camerongray> And...
[16:05]<Immental1200> Who did click it
[16:05]<Immental1200> And?
[16:05]<+camerongray> Google analytics.... I take it you know how that works?
[16:05]<Immental1200> I'm not sure what you're implying
[16:05]<+camerongray> GA can clealy track a 404 page that doesn't have GA code on it
[16:05]<Immental1200> No, it tracks the exit URL of the other pages
[16:05]<Immental1200> :P
[16:06]<+camerongray> Not that
[16:06]<Immental1200> The site is being finished by someone else anyway... it'll be done soon
[16:06]<+camerongray> It can track exit links to other sites yeah
[16:06]<+camerongray> But not clicks to that page
[16:06]<Immental1200> 95% of the customers are still using the old site
[16:06]<+camerongray> Old site?
[16:07]<+camerongray> But see, that's why I use a CMS - You don't get stupid issues like tha
[16:07]<Immental1200> Artic Networks is a new name
[16:07]<+camerongray> that*
[16:07]<@BC_Programming> the old site is the geocities version
[16:07]<+camerongray> And at least with a CMS your 404 errors would be tracked by GA
[16:07]<+camerongray> lol!
[16:07]<Immental1200> The business has been running under another name for like ... 5 years now I think
[16:07]<+camerongray> I hate software like dreamweaver :P
[16:07]<Immental1200> Well, several names.
[16:08]<+camerongray> I want to be able to actually write real code to make it look how *I* want it
[16:09]<Immental1200> Ha.... I was going to screenshot GA
[16:09]<+camerongray> why>
[16:09]<Immental1200> On the page that proves I can see when they click that button
[16:09]<Immental1200> But it won't work properly
[16:09]<Immental1200> GA is refusing to load the site data
[16:10]<Immental1200> Problem loading In-Page Analytics
[16:10]<Immental1200> We tried looking for a few common problems with your setup, but couldn't find what's wrong. Please try again later.
[16:10]<Immental1200> Helpful.
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> huh somebody is referring to GriefPrevention dev build #183 as version 1.8.3...
[16:10]<+camerongray> I don't see how that's being tracked - No request goes out to GA when clicking that link!
[16:10]<+camerongray> But I guess the fact you are getting a 404 error isn't important and can just be left
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> then I read their stack trace and they are actually running 7.7, not to mention the crash is in spigot
[16:11]<+camerongray> I mean, it wasn't the first link I clicked on the site or anything
[16:11]<Immental1200> Look
[16:11]<Immental1200> Shush :P
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: 404's are coolio
[16:11]<Immental1200> I'm fully aware it's broken
[16:11]<+camerongray> lol
[16:11]<Immental1200> Wait
[16:11]<Immental1200> HA
[16:11]<Immental1200> I can prove how many people have gone there
[16:11]<Immental1200> cPanel log
[16:11]<@BC_Programming> my forum link 404's... or it would if I still made it clickable
[16:11]<+camerongray> Yeah, you can do that I suppose
[16:12]<Immental1200> I should really upload custom 404's
[16:12]<+camerongray> Now see why I use a CMS :P
[16:13]<+camerongray> Or at least some sort of PHP
[16:14]<Immental1200> Wait
[16:14]<Immental1200> What the hell did you click
[16:14]<Immental1200> I can't find a button for vps.html
[16:14]<Immental1200> Anywhere!
[16:14]<+camerongray> Your services button!
[16:14]<Immental1200> Ooh.
[16:14]<Immental1200> Shit.
[16:14]<Immental1200> That's clickable
[16:14]<+camerongray> Yes
[16:16]<Immental1200> http://articnetworks.com/vps.html
[16:16]<Immental1200> I edited it a little!
[16:17]<+camerongray> But not actually fixed the problem...
[16:17]<Immental1200> No
[16:17]<Immental1200> Because I need to actually edit files for that
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> does it haev a tooltip saying "plz don't click me"
[16:18]<+camerongray> And that's why I use a CMS :P
[16:18]<Immental1200> I think... I can get that...
[16:18]<Immental1200> Camerongray
[16:18]<Immental1200> Suggest a CMS
[16:18]<Immental1200> That will do something similar to that site
[16:18]<Immental1200> Without me spending hours and hours
[16:19]<+camerongray> Since the actual site is small I would use something like WolfCMS as it's very lightweight but allows you to keep stuff like headers/navbars in "snippets" so they are separate from the content
[16:19]<+camerongray> Drupal would be too heavy IMO
[16:19]<Immental1200> The site is going to be made larger
[16:19]<Immental1200> Every product is going to be given at least one page
[16:19]<Immental1200> We're going to move all logins onto the main site and take out some of the billing features across
[16:19]<Immental1200> We are also considering a blog
[16:20]<+camerongray> In that case something like Drupal/Wordpress
[16:20]<Immental1200> I've never found being able to make something like my little 9 boxes on WP
[16:20]<Immental1200> 6*
[16:21]<+camerongray> I'm more of a Drupal guy but for that I would create a layout for the homepage and then use a block for each box
[16:21]<+camerongray> This is a Drupal 7 site I built: http://www.buckstoneyouthproject.co.uk/
[16:21]<Immental1200> I'll throw Drupal on a subdomain / directory and have a play
[16:21]<+camerongray> Each of those boxes at the bottom "Who are we?".etc are each in a block
[16:22]<Immental1200> And to think I still like HTML tables...
[16:22]<+camerongray> A table based layout?
[16:22]<Immental1200> I'm joking.
[16:23]<+camerongray> Ahh :P
[16:23]<+camerongray> Wouldn't surprise me if you can stand a static HTML site
[16:23]<Immental1200> If I stick something on articnetworks.com/beta/
[16:23]<+camerongray> Or locally
[16:23]<Immental1200> And then decide it's nice
[16:23]<Immental1200> Can I move it without too much hassle
[16:23]<+camerongray> You don't want to be putting dev stuff on a production server
[16:23]<Immental1200> Or is there renaming work
[16:23]<+camerongray> Should be fine but i'd just dev it locally
[16:23]<Immental1200> I have nothing local
[16:24]<Immental1200> I'd have to set something up
[16:24]<+camerongray> Doesn't mean you can't :P
[16:24]<Immental1200> Yeah but
[16:24]<Immental1200> If I want Drupal on the webserver ... it's like 30 seconds and 5 clicks xD
[16:24]<+camerongray> Or at least have htpasswd authentication on it
[16:24]<Immental1200> True...
[16:24]<Immental1200> What about Joomla
[16:25]<Immental1200> Good
[16:25]<Immental1200> You share that opinion
[16:25]<Immental1200> I'm happy to play with Drupal / WordPress
[16:25]<Immental1200> But Joomla can fuck off.
[16:25]<+camerongray> Joomla is just so cluttered with buttons
[16:25]<+camerongray> Not sure about now but I remember they used to have a "Save" button and an "Apply" button - Could never remember which did which
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> haha hilarious, a catholic Archbishop was asked about the issues the church has with pedophilia and he said the problem was the parents
[16:26]<Immental1200> Bam... installing
[16:26]<Immental1200> It's that simple
[16:26]<+camerongray> Yeah
[16:26]<+camerongray> Think I'll move another site I do onto Drupal
[16:26]<Immental1200> I'm not setting up a damn webserver then MySQL too
[16:26]<+camerongray> Currently on FrogCMS but the code is getting messy
[16:26]<Immental1200> Too much effort
[16:27]<+camerongray> http://www.edinburghexecutivecarriages.co.uk/
[16:27]<Immental1200> https://www.articnetworks.com/drupal/
[16:27]<+camerongray> Got a lot bigger than the original plan of 4 pages
[16:27]<+camerongray> nice!
[16:27]<Immental1200> How do I turn off the sidebar...
[16:28]<Immental1200> That's a big must do
[16:28]<+camerongray> Think it's a block or something
[16:29]<Immental1200> I'm drowning in modules.
[16:29]<Immental1200> It has begun.
[16:29]<Immental1200> Wtf am I meant to do with all this crap?!
[16:29]<+camerongray> Learn how to use it
[16:30]<+camerongray> It isn't designed to be that easy :P
[16:30]<Immental1200> And that's why I can't be bothered with it
[16:30]<Immental1200> I don't want to learn something new
[16:30]<+camerongray> *facepalm*
[16:30]<Immental1200> And I don't want something not built for the purpose
[16:30]<Immental1200> It's all cluttered and horrible and slow
[16:30]<@BC_Programming> lol
[16:30]<+camerongray> Hardly
[16:31]<+camerongray> You just need to learn how to use it!
[16:31]<@BC_Programming> "I don't want to learn something new" than stick with HTML4, I'm sure that won't be gone in a few years
[16:31]<Immental1200> When am I ever going to use a second user account system?!
[16:31]<Immental1200> I ... think... that code is HTML5 certified.
[16:31]<+camerongray> It's like getting into a car, about to learn to drive, giving up trying to start the engine and deciding that cars are stupid and you jut want to walk
[16:31]<Immental1200> So shush
[16:31]<Immental1200> No it's not!
[16:31]<+camerongray> Second user account system?
[16:31]<+camerongray> Drupal has that yeah, you don't have to use it!
[16:32]<Immental1200> It's like seeing a river, 100m wide... and getting a steamboat to cross it.
[16:32]<Immental1200> When you need a rowing boat.
[16:32]<Immental1200> It's too much
[16:32]<+camerongray> That's why I said WolfCMS but then you mentioned wanting extra stuff like logins
[16:32]<Immental1200> Yeah... I can run logins by adding a little bit of PHP on that hooks right into the billing systems API
[16:32]<Immental1200> Keeps it within one database
[16:33]<+camerongray> Good luck :P
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> store passwords in plain text. Hash Algorithms are hard
[16:34]<Immental1200> Funny guy
[16:34]<+camerongray> lol!
[16:34]<Immental1200> I've no idea how ours are stored actually... but I know it's not plain text
[16:34]<Immental1200> Hmm hang on
[16:35]<Immental1200> 9abaf74ca90518dea069ad84e39d9924:q#p(F
[16:35]<Immental1200> At least it's not plain text I suppose...
[16:35]<+camerongray> Tell me that's not a hash our your database
[16:35]<+camerongray> out*
[16:35]<Immental1200> That's the same as every single WHMCS install out there.
[16:35]<+camerongray> What is the same?
[16:36]<Immental1200> The way it's hashed
[16:36]<+camerongray> Exactly!
[16:36]<Immental1200> So... if I ...
[16:36]<+camerongray> And if that's a hash out your database...
[16:36]<+camerongray> People know how it's hashed
[16:36]<@BC_Programming> not salted?
[16:36]<+camerongray> And if it's a simple password they can work it out...
[16:36]<+camerongray> And now that hash is public
[16:37]<Immental1200> Not my database
[16:37]<Immental1200> :D
[16:37]<+camerongray> Who's is it?
[16:37]<Immental1200> Our database, three / four years ago
[16:37]<+camerongray> Oh, 2 secs
[16:38]<+camerongray> I'll just log into work and post some of our 4 year old data here...
[16:38]<Immental1200> :L
[16:38]<+camerongray> C'mon - Data security!
[16:38]<Immental1200> It was the test account anyway...
[16:38]<Immental1200> And there's no longer any online copies of the database
[16:38]<Immental1200> In fact I may have the last copy
[16:39]<@BC_Programming> We're designing out new password system. It's going to use a Randomized Salt stored with each entry in addition to the hash, so the salt will be that randomized value as well as the actual name the password is for as part of the salt
[16:39]<Immental1200> Ooh.
[16:39]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: AHh yeah,that's what I do :P
[16:40]<Immental1200> I've no idea what WHMCS does.
[16:40]<+camerongray> And I usually generate the salt with the hash of a random number
[16:41]<Immental1200> WHMCS does that, but it uses more than just numbers.
[16:41]<Immental1200> So the salt for one is irrelevant to the rest
[16:42]<Immental1200> I think?
[16:48]<Immental1200> Someone is trying to brute force newsletter@articnetworks.com
[16:48]<Immental1200> Hehehe
[16:48]<Immental1200> That account doesn't exis
[16:48]<Immental1200> We have one email account for support and we don't even know the password it's that secure xD
[16:49]<@BC_Programming> I almost forgot about the keyboard I ordered
[16:49]<@BC_Programming> and no I didn't remember because it arrived
[16:49]<Immental1200> What keyboard :O
[16:50]<@BC_Programming> Unicomp keyboard
[16:51]<Immental1200> Which one
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> Ultra Classic white buckling spring
[16:52]<@BC_Programming> oh damn there was PS/2 version... oh well
[16:52]<Immental1200> Omg.
[16:53]<Immental1200> It has original Windows logo keys.
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> Win95 more or less
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> considering the key didn't exist until Windows 95 :P
[16:53]<Immental1200> See I couldn't do that
[16:53]<Immental1200> I want modern looking stuff
[16:53]<Immental1200> Regardless of how well it may work
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> I was going to get one from wasdkeyboard
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> but their site pissed me off so they lost a sale
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> You cant just buy a keyboard, you have to go through this customization song and dance...
[16:54]<Immental1200> What benefit do I get with a noisy mechanical keyboard
[16:54]<Immental1200> Apart from the satisfaction of pissing off people with the noise?
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> camerongray I think you can field this one
[16:55]<+camerongray> lol
[16:55]<+camerongray> They feel much better to type on :P
[16:55]<+camerongray> And are much better made
[16:55]<+camerongray> It's hardly the sound that makes people buy them
[16:55]<@BC_Programming> it's the transformers... right?
[16:56]<+camerongray> haha
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> the only tricky part will be adapting to the proper layout of the Home/End/etc. keys
[16:57]<+camerongray> why?
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> I use those a lot but thsi keyboard has them in a 2x3 grid instead of the standard 3x2
[16:57]<+camerongray> I don't want it for the noise! If they were quiet I would be buying one for work!
[16:57]<+camerongray> AHH!
[16:57]<@BC_Programming> so I'll be hitting the wrong keys for a while no doubt
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> I know because I had to adapt the other way for this one
[16:58]<+camerongray> Wait - It has 3 rows of 2?
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> the standard layout does
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> oops
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> backwards
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> yes this one does
[16:58]<+camerongray> That's standard isn't it?
[16:58]<Immental1200> Hehe
[16:58]<@BC_Programming> Home,End-Insert,Page Up-Delete,Page Down
[16:58]<Immental1200> I have one of the older Dell keyboards with a smart card reader
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> no other way around, 2 rows of three
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> is the standard AT
[16:59]<Immental1200> I do love the clackity clack it makes as I type in my short login password for the PC
[16:59]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: WHich unicomp did you get?
[16:59]<Immental1200> He already said ;)
[16:59]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: Ultra Classic white buckling spring
[16:59]<+camerongray> Wait... THat is the standard layout!
[17:00]<+camerongray> Well, all mine have that layout of keys
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> yeah I know that is what I mean
[17:00]<@BC_Programming> the keyboard I am using now isn't, and I'm used to it
[17:00]<+camerongray> Ahh!
[17:00]<+camerongray> I will admit - It took me way too long to find a keyboard to check that wasn't a Model M :P
[17:01]<Immental1200> camerongray
[17:01]<@BC_Programming> could be worse... my wireless keyboard is even worse.... not only does change it again by making the delete key take up two spaces in that area, but all the F keys are arranged in groups of three instead of four
[17:01]<+camerongray> Yeah?
[17:01]<Immental1200> Static HTMl at it's finest
[17:01]<Immental1200> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/06/healthcaregov-code-developed-by-the-people-and-for-the-people-released-back-to-the-people/277295/
[17:01]<Immental1200> That was sarcasm. The site is total shite and a complete failure.
[17:02]<@BC_Programming> yay 4 hours to bring forward from last pay period
[17:03]<Immental1200> I forgot to do this earlier.
[17:03]<Immental1200> But I'd like to express my upmost thanks and congratulations to National Rail.
[17:03]<Immental1200> For ensuring that my train made it on time.
[17:03]<Immental1200> Oh wait.
[17:03]<Immental1200> No, it didn't...
[17:04]<Immental1200> The lazy buggers didn't go out until 8am, so I got on the 7.24 train at 8.40 -_-
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> heh
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> train
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> I thought you were saying you wanted things modern
[17:04]<Immental1200> It's only a 22 minute train journey...
[17:04]<Immental1200> I don't have to put up with it for long
[17:04]<Immental1200> :P
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> that's probably a pretty good job, driving a train
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> don't need to steer
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> just fire your whistle as you approach crossings
[17:06]<Immental1200> And remember to slow down for the cows on the tracks...
[17:06]<@BC_Programming> no, if you slow down the cows win
[17:06]<Immental1200> Haha
[17:06]<Immental1200> Somewhere has fully enclosed rail lines
[17:06]<Immental1200> I'm wondering where that is
[17:06]<Immental1200> Is it the UK?
[17:07]<Immental1200> I think we just fine the hell out of you if you're caught on the lines...
[17:08]<@BC_Programming> there is this really weird intersection here where a railway track is running next to the highway and there is another street, so there is this railway crossing like 2 car lengths behind the stop line
[17:08]<@BC_Programming> Naturally stupid people will actually stop ON the tracks
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[22:05]<PCdoc> Good morning
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> hi
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> 9PM here...
[22:06]<PCdoc> Lol 9:34am here
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[23:29]<+Craig> I like our time zone better.
[23:30]<@BC_Programming> heh